
The PMP Industry Insiders podcast helps pest control and lawn care professionals grow their businesses. Every week, hosts Donnie Shelton and Dan Gordon talk with the biggest players in the pest control and lawn care markets about what’s changing in the industry and take listeners to the front lines of what the future holds.
Episodes

May 29, 2025
May 29, 2025
33 min
This week, Dan and Donnie debate the ideal branch size for a pest control company. Is it better to operate several smaller branches or one multi-million location? They explore the pros and cons of smaller offices, larger locations and a hybrid model with satellites.

May 22, 2025
May 22, 2025
40 min
Tom Jarzynka, VP of Technical & Training for Massey Services, joins Dan and Donnie this week to share his journey in the pest control industry and talk about credentials. As a member of NPMA's QualityPro board, Tom shares what it takes to become accredited, how it helps pest control companies in practical terms and what's coming down the pike for the program.

May 15, 2025
May 15, 2025
37 min
This week Dan and Donnie discuss the prevalence of cyber attacks on small businesses. They cover common threats (phishing scams, ransomware attacks and data breaches), first-hand experiences and real-world case studies. Finally, they share several strategies for protecting your company from cyber attacks to avoid costly consequences.

May 8, 2025
May 8, 2025
41 min
This week, Dan and Donnie discuss the potential for a lasting economic slowdown and the impact it would have on pest control and lawn care businesses, including customer price sensitivity and increased cancels. They also share strategies for increasing revenue, reducing costs and handling marketing during uncertain times.

May 5, 2025
May 5, 2025
14 min
🎙️ Welcome to Insiders Rewind — Recapping April!
This month, we’re diving into insights from Episodes 220 to 223,
✅ Episode Highlights: Ep. 220: Accurate Reports - Are you squeezing enough value out of your CRM data?
Ep. 221: Tariffs! - Lots of chemicals used in the pest control industry come from other countries. What is the impact on these with all of the tariff talk?
Ep. 222: AI CSRs - Ka Tsu from Avoca AI explains more about AI CSRs and how they never sleep, never take a day off and never miss a call!
Ep. 223: Passing the Torch #3 - The third installment of the Passing the Torch Series featuring Nozzel Nolen Pest Solutions. Hear more about being the boss' kid and the pressures that come along with it.
We’d love to hear from you. Drop a comment, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and connect with us on social media @PMPIndustryInsider.
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May 1, 2025
May 1, 2025
38 min

Apr 24, 2025
Apr 24, 2025
38 min
This week, Dan and Donnie continue the family business series with Mikey & Mandy Nolen, the father-daughter team who operate Nozzle Nolen in West Palm Beach, Fla. They cover how the company is transitioning to a new generation of leadership, including Mickey's philosophy of "getting out of the way without going away."

Apr 17, 2025
Apr 17, 2025
38 min
What if you had a CSR who could answer after-hours calls, schedule service and respond to questions 24/7/365? On this episode, Ka Tsu of Avoca AI joins Dan and Donnie to discuss an AI call center and customer service platform. Tune in to hear a Q&A about the benefits and challenges of implementing AI CSRs in pest control.

Apr 8, 2025
Apr 8, 2025
41 min

Apr 7, 2025
Apr 7, 2025
15 min
Welcome to Insiders Rewind — Recapping March!
This month, we’re diving into insights from Episodes 216 to 219, covering everything from Agent AI to tax strategies, growth challenges, and flipping business models for success!
Ep. 216: Agent AI Playbook for Service Business Owners — Discover how Agent AI works autonomously and integrates with your systems for true automation.
Ep. 217: Taxes 101 — Dan and Donnie share tax tips and how to avoid common pitfalls for pest and lawn business owners.
Ep. 218: The GreenPal Story — Brian Clayton explains why he built GreenPal for lawn care pros, not homeowners, and why it worked!
Ep. 219: Creating Cohesion — Donnie talks about managing team growth and navigating when great employees can’t keep up.
We’d love to hear from you. Drop a comment, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and connect with us on social media @PMPIndustryInsider.

Apr 3, 2025
Apr 3, 2025
37 min
In this episode, Dan and Donnie discuss what you need to do month in and month out to create accurate financial statements so you can take meaningful action in your business. Donnie offers a glimpse into the numbers he uses to run Triangle Pest Control, and Dan shares an accountant's perspective and tools he recommends.

Mar 27, 2025
Mar 27, 2025
35 min
In this episode, Dan and Donnie dig into the challenges of managing growth and keeping your team on the same page as your pest or lawn company scales and becomes more complicated. They share their experiences and strategies for overcoming growth-related obstacles, and why having a strong vision is essential.

Mar 20, 2025
Mar 20, 2025
38 min

Mar 13, 2025
Mar 13, 2025
30 min

Mar 6, 2025
Mar 6, 2025
39 min
What if you could eliminate all your repetitive administrative tasks? In this episode, Dan and Donnie discuss the potential for leveraging "agent AI" technology in your pest control business. Donnie also walks through a software demo and shares how to begin creating an AI personal assistant so you can make better use of your time.

Mar 3, 2025
Mar 3, 2025
13 min
Welcome to Insiders Rewind, the new monthly recap series from the PMP Industry insider Podcast! In this episode, Brett The Editor, takes you through the most impactful moments from February's episodes.
Ep. #212 - A 7 Point Plan To Get Ready For The Season
Ep. #213 - 3 Takeaways From Beyond Service
Ep. #214 - 4 Pest Industry Trends For 2025
Ep. #215 - A Top 100 Turnaround
Whether you're in the pest & lawn industry or a business leader looking for growth strategies, Insiders Rewind delivers key insights you can implement right away!
